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Fuck Operation Northwoods 
Tuesday, April 24th, 2007 | 03:26 pm [9/11, conspiracy theories]
Steve
I published a version of yesterday’s post on American Chronicle and have already received email from amateur conspiracy theorists presuming to point out that their various “alternative explanations” are not only completely reasonable, but true. This one fellow, who seemed earnest enough and at least didn’t come off as pissed at me for belittling his beliefs, sent me a PDF file of the infamous Top Secret memo sent to the Secretary of Defense by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962 detailing Operation Northwoods.
 
Northwoods, for the three or four of you who have avoided being beaten over the head with it by 9/11 conspiracy theorists, was a proposed secret military project to provide a pretense for U.S. military action against Fidel Castro’s government in Cuba. It called for a series of staged “false flag” events to give the impression that the Cuban government was hostile to the United States and posed an imminent threat, therefore giving the U.S. the justification to invade the island and kick Castro’s commie ass out of power. Among other actions, the plan calls for phony acts of sabotage and terrorism to be carried out inside and near to the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay, including sinking American dummy ships and holding funerals for non-existent victims to drum up public support in the States for a Cuban invasion.
 
All this is perfectly immoral and nefarious, typical of the trustworthy, stand-up government we’re fortunate to have here in the good ol’ U.S. of A, but the part of most interest to conspiracy nuts is when the plan calls for the destruction of a drone aircraft, supposedly loaded with civilian passengers and shot down by Cuba. Before the shoot-down, the passengers — actually government agents traveling under aliases — would be off-loaded to a duplicate aircraft and flown safely to an undisclosed location. Some contend this precise thing happened on September 11, 2001.
 
The plan for Northwoods doesn’t speak well for the U.S. government. But conspiracy theorists who cite it as evidence for an “inside job” on 9/11 miss two very important points: 1) Operation Northwoods was rejected and never carried out; 2) Operation Northwoods has nothing to do with September 11.
 
9/11 Truthers, I beg you — I fucking beg you — not to waste your breath trying to convince me that our government is staffed by immoral, opportunistic, contemptible motherfuckers. I know. The Tuskegee experiments, gentrification of American Indians, arresting Japanese Americans and holding them in internment camps during World War II, the appallingly inhumane conditions of POW camps at Andersonville and Camp Douglas during the Civil War — history is full of government-sanctioned atrocities. I don’t argue that our government isn’t capable of committing a horrific act of mass-murder like 9/11; I argue that they didn’t. So please, spare me your Operation Northwoods bullshit, 9/11 Truthers. It’s a weak induction at best and it proves nothing about 9/11. If you want me to believe that the government perpetrated 9/11, then show me some actual evidence that the government perpetrated 9/11, not evidence that they planned to perpetrate something vaguely reminiscent of 9/11 over forty years ago. That’s not convincing; that’s pathetic.
Comments 
Tuesday, April 24th, 2007 | 10:19 pm (UTC)
The Northwoods document means nothing. There are thousand's of these kooky type of plans sitting in musty file cabinets in military document dumps. Military planers come up with these type of plans as part of their job. They don't mean anything.

What I don't understand about conspiracy theorists is why they believe 9-11 was staged by the same people that failed to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. If they could carry out 9-11, why couldn't they plant a little anthrax or some nerve agent in Iraq? Why couldn't they come up with some type of connection between Saddam and bid Laden?
Thursday, April 26th, 2007 | 08:14 am (UTC) - Dude, you are just plain wrong
Anonymous
You are wrong!
The Federal reserve is a private bank. I haven't paid taxes for over 11 years now. Regular income taxes don't apply to the private sector.
You need to check your facts before writing any more shit. Go find the law and show us, we are waiting. In the meantime, after you get tired of searching for a law that doesn't exist, watch the documentary "Freedom To Fascism" by Aaron Russo.
Thursday, April 26th, 2007 | 11:48 am (UTC) - Don't take Anonymous too seriously
Don't let "Anonymous" get to you. He is a shit stirrer from way back. For years now Anonymous has been posting snarky comments on blogs and forums that I enjoy reading. Anonymous says this.... Anonymous says that..... Who gives two shits what Anonymous says?

He hasn't paid taxes in 11 years because he lost his job at Roy Rogers 11 years ago. You don't pay taxes if you don't work. They used to let him sweep the floor and refill the horseradish dispensers, but they caught him touching himself on the video monitor. It's not like they hadn't warned him about it. Ever since then, Anonymous has been living in his "studio apartment" (his mother's basement) trolling the Internet looking for blogs and message boards to post his brand of anonymous wisdom too.

When he says "Go find the law and show us, we are waiting", the "we" he is referring to is the inflatable woman he bought at The Locked Door. He learned about the shop from Michael T on Ad-Libs. He keeps in hid under his army cot so his "landlord" (mother) doesn't see it.
Monday, September 12th, 2011 | 12:11 pm (UTC) - Northwoods Relevance
Anonymous
Sorry Steve...
Conspiracy is not a fantasy; it IS too often business as usual. The proposal of Operation Northwoods was created in a time when covert operations probably had much less than a tenth of their current number of operatives, and even adjusting for change in value of currency, the budget for the NSA, CIA, etc. is exponentially larger than it was in the relatively innocent times of the early 60's...a time not long after Ike (a guy with significant access...) warned U.S. to beware of the insidious power of the Military Industrial Complex. Op Northwoods WAS generated by and approved by the top brass... JFK nixed it, and wasn't he nixed a coupla years later? Anyway; it certainly does point to a deeply deceptive culture at the very top of the military operations...NOT necessarily our civilian government...and just when do you think they had some sort of born-again fucking repentance/regret and redemption into some sort of reformed caring culture which had become concerned about not killing innocent American people (not to mention any and all others) to accomplish any of their Power-At-Any-Cost goals???
The specifics of Operation Northwoods certainly align with a possibility that a series of not-dissimilar deceptions might be used for a 9/11 type series of attacks...I knew something like the anthrax attack would be done as a follow-up to keep the herd stirred up and more easily spooked and manipulated for going to War...with Trillion$ in Weapons and Logistics and Oil-Grab revenues causing them to salivate just on the other side of a required trigger event...would you have bet your Life "they" wouldn't ["didn't"} invent, orchestrate, and execute such a drastically ruthless plan?

Oh, by the way...Genocide, not Gentrification...is what a few million Native Americans have survived...and are still constantly struggling against in the form of attempts by mining and lumbering and hydro-electric and nuclear companies trying to relocate them, or force them to sell off their land or trying to bribe them or extort them into allowing radioactive waste to be stored where they live.

Your apologia is not nearly as substantive as the evidence pointing to its' antithesis.

Peter Thomas
Monday, September 12th, 2011 | 12:16 pm (UTC) - Re: Northwoods Relevance
Possibilities are not facts, and possibilities are all any 9/11 conspiracy theorist has ever been able to offer. Your argument, even as briefly presented to me in your comment, is brimming over with suspicion and assumed connections between events like the cancellation of Northwoods and the JFK assassination, not to mention Northwoods and 9/11, but there is not a single piece of actual evidence cited to connect the events, or to demonstrate that one has anything to do with the other.

Evidence, Peter. Not possibilities. Not innuendo. Not paranoid assumption of associations. Evidence.
Sunday, September 18th, 2011 | 05:13 pm (UTC) - Northwoods Relevance
Anonymous
Sorry Steve...
Conspiracy is not a fantasy; it IS too often business as usual. The proposal of Operation Northwoods was created in a time when covert operations probably had much less than a tenth of their current number of operatives, and even adjusting for change in value of currency, the budget for the NSA, CIA, etc. is exponentially larger than it was in the relatively innocent times of the early 60's...a time not long after Ike (a guy with significant access...) warned U.S. to beware of the insidious power of the Military Industrial Complex. Op Northwoods WAS generated by and approved by the top brass... JFK nixed it, and wasn't he nixed a coupla years later? Anyway; it certainly does point to a deeply deceptive culture at the very top of the military operations...NOT necessarily our civilian government...and just when do you think they had some sort of born-again fucking repentance/regret and redemption into some sort of reformed caring culture which had become concerned about not killing innocent American people (not to mention any and all others) to accomplish any of their Power-At-Any-Cost goals???
The specifics of Operation Northwoods certainly align with a possibility that a series of not-dissimilar deceptions might be used for a 9/11 type series of attacks...I knew something like the anthrax attack would be done as a follow-up to keep the herd stirred up and more easily spooked and manipulated for going to War...with Trillion$ in Weapons and Logistics and Oil-Grab revenues causing them to salivate just on the other side of a required trigger event...would you have bet your Life "they" wouldn't ["didn't"} invent, orchestrate, and execute such a drastically ruthless plan?

Oh, by the way...Genocide, not Gentrification...is what a few million Native Americans have survived...and are still constantly struggling against in the form of attempts by mining and lumbering and hydro-electric and nuclear companies trying to relocate them, or force them to sell off their land or trying to bribe them or extort them into allowing radioactive waste to be stored where they live.

Your apologia is not nearly as substantive as the evidence pointing to its' antithesis.

Peter Thomas
Sunday, September 18th, 2011 | 08:45 pm (UTC) - Re: Northwoods Relevance
Any reason you felt the need to re-post your comment verbatim? Just curious.
Monday, June 11th, 2012 | 03:31 am (UTC)
Anonymous
Have you ever seen a plane wreck with no evidence left? Where was the tail section, or a wing, or an engine at the Pentagon incident??
Monday, June 11th, 2012 | 12:15 pm (UTC)
The wrecks on 9/11 were not typical, so "have you ever seen?" questions don't cut much ice. The reason the debris left after the crashes at the Pentagon and Shanksville was so small is because the planes impacted at much, much higher speeds than a typical plane crash. Wings and tail sections were obliterated along with the fuselage. But to say that there was "no evidence left" after those crashes just because there weren't tails and wings lying around just isn't accurate. There was a great deal of evidence left, and it takes a good deal of willful ignorance to conclude that something other than an airplane hit the Pentagon that day.
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012 | 04:31 am (UTC) - facts around 9/11
Anonymous
we all know our government officials take money from big business. so here are the facts:
Russia invaded Afghanistan. Russia did a geological survey of Afghanistan. The Russians found the worlds largest lithium deposit in Afghanistan. The Americans caught wind of this. The Americans sent the CIA with Stinger missiles to give to the Taliban and teach them how to fight a guerrilla war against the Russians. Just like Vietnam, the larger force got tired and went home. FACT: the Afghan people LOVED the U.S. why? how many consumer goods did you used to buy that had "made in Afghanistan" stickers on them? the U.S. had a great trade agreement with Afghanistan. They were rich from us. Then the Taliban attacks the U.S.? why? we're buying tons of goods from them, not to mention all the opium they sell the world and no one says a thing. FACT: Osama Bin Laden (a.k.a. emmanuel goldstein) was a SAUDI. FACT: the Saudi people HATE the U.S. because we give TONS of money to one of the MOST OPPRESSIVE governments in the world. The stage is set. The U.S. grabs some holy war loving Sadis, they crash planes into buildings, we blame the Afgans (who less than 10 years later already forgot that the U.S. helped them defeat Russia...?) the U.S. invades Afghanistan, and now we have a standing army on the worlds largest lithium deposit. The U.S. installs a new government that gives mining rights to U.S. based companies that our government leaders hold major shares in.

simple.
Monday, March 24th, 2014 | 04:41 am (UTC) - Re: facts around 9/11
Anonymous
Its a little late to the party but I would like to add a few small points about the "facts"of the aircraft debris.

A little background on myself: I am a licensed aircraft mechanic and have been for many years. I was actually in school for this when 9/11 happened. Watching the news as so many were that day, watching so many planes land that the airport I was at couldn't handle them all. Wondering the entire time if my family who was in Manhattan at the time was OK or not. Since that horrific atrocity I have spent the last 13 honing my skills and knowledge of aircraft. I have built, maintained, disassembled, cut, welded, drilled, scraped, bent, ground down, painted, reassembled, taxied, tested, adjusted,..you get the point. And I have done this all to 15-20 different aircraft airframes. Civilian and military, small to large, fixed wing to helicopters.

That being said aircraft do not just dissentigrate. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt all the aircraft. Most of the structure, sure, the titanium engine components, landing gear, bearings, etc... would not have been destroyed to the point where nothing was left.


The pentagon, what can I say about that. Well for starters no matter the structure or immovable force an aircraft of that size were to encounter it is going to leave some massive parts laying around. Hitting the pentagon would be the same as an aircraft hitting the ground nose first. Even in a situation such as that there would be large chunks of metal everywhere. They do not just go away. I get so tired of hearing "there were special circumstances". Aircraft structures are built to withstand unimaginable stresses. meaning they like to stay together. So even if the whole plane came apart there would still be large portions of the fuselage, wings, tail, engines, something that would survive. Hell the tail structure is supported by a 10"x16" 3/4" thick piece of I beam.

So there are some facts. I'm sure they won't compute with your one tracked mind but they are here anyway. I've ranted enough
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