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A Message to Anglicans, From the Pope 
Sunday, November 22nd, 2009 | 11:53 pm (UTC) - Do we actually HATE women?
Or just expect them to not forget that they are here to serve their men?
Sunday, November 29th, 2009 | 03:27 pm (UTC) - Re: Do we actually HATE women?
wow, you're a big dumb asshole.

To correct your ignorance---and I'm not a Catholic, boy:

1) They don't hate gay people. According to their religious dogma, sodomy is forbidden, as are all homosexual acts. People who are gay are loved, but forbidden to do gay acts. It is the act, not the desire. But that may be too fine for a moron like you to grasp.

2) Not giving women the power to be priests is based on theological argument, not hate. Perhaps you think that that should be swept under the rug because of Joan Walsh's say so. You'd probably have to construct a valid theological argument that overcame the hundreds of times in their religious texts and tradition where their God limited priesthood to men.

But you'll probably post something snarky and uniformed and pretend you're intellectual by it instead.

Enjoy ignorance!
Sunday, November 29th, 2009 | 03:47 pm (UTC) - Re: Do we actually HATE women?
I'm not certain if you're talking to me, or who left the previous comment, but since I'm always willing to be snarky and uninformed while pretending to be intellectual, I'll have a whack at it.

1) There is no reason to draw any moral distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality. Saying the church only condemns the acts related to homosexuality and not the homosexuals themselves isn't really a meaningful statement, seeing as how either way gay people find themselves condemned by the Vatican. Even if I gave the church the benefit of the doubt and believed that they didn't actively hate all gay people (which isn't that hard to do — it's not like I picture scores of monks praying in shifts for God to send all the gay dudes to Hell twenty-four hours a day), the dogma and policies of the church are still arbitrary and discriminatory, and therefore hateful.

2) I don't object to women being treated as second-class in the Catholic Church because Joan Walsh or anyone else says so. And I don't need to construct a theological argument, either. Theology is irrelevant. Denying opportunities to someone because of their sex is wrong. I don't care what their religious texts say, and I don't care what limits their God supposedly placed on them. Our society has disregarded and forbade all kinds of fucked up stuff permitted, recommended or even commanded by the Bible and other religious texts. The discriminatory practices of the Catholic Church should be no different.

The fact that so many Anglicans/Episcopalians are unable to see beyond their own bigotry, and are so angry that their church is actually trying to do right by gays and women, that they are willing to leave the church is bad enough. That the Catholic Church is willing to accept them, to ensure they won't have to examine themselves and their beliefs or become better people in the slightest degree, is shameful.
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